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Live In A Hole by NicklausofKrieg Live In A Hole by NicklausofKrieg
Just some Kriegers doing their thing, in a ditch with a gun emplacement which is oddly enough something i don't draw that much

it's based off of this picture [link]
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KatarnStar Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2015
I'm sorry, but when I saw them I burst out laughing.
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Dunlaw Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2015
"Hey Arnold?"

"Ja Karl?"

"Why the fuck are we all sitting in the same hole? If an Ork bomba got too close we'd all be dead"

"Fuck you Karl! With me at the gun they won't get close enough!"
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Nightcorerulz Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
"Wrong Trench Mother Fucker!"

Stunning work thanks for making
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Wyzilla Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2014
Kriegers 16312346, 1687714, and 126487 are going to get their heads blown off because somebody forgot to set up the tripod on the heavy bolter. Kriegers 167864, and 134234 look like they realize this, and is why they're leaning away from the Bolter. 167864 in particular looks like he knows exactly what's going to happen.
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NicklausofKrieg Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2014
how exactly are head gonna explode due to a missing tripod?

if it's because of a misfire/accidental discharge, i don't see how a missing tripod will contribute to that. if it's because of high recoil due to lack of support, bolters and even heavy bolters don't really kick as hard as most people think, a brawny Catachan can carry and fire a heavy bolter in his hands, and there are instances where guardsmen just lay heavy bolters on the ground or on a surface to forgo a long set-up time. and if it's due to a commissar, Death Korps commissars are actually some of the most level-headed commissars out there, as they're supposed to act as the voice of reason and restraint of the regiment (and as stated above, missing tripod isn't a big deal). maybe it's 'cause they're sticking their heads out a little too much? they're all sticking their heads out of the ditch quite a bit.

i know i'm probably taking this too seriously and i may be coming off as offensive, but i really just don't get it. care to elaborate? 
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Wyzilla Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2014
Bolters canonically kick hard enough to kill or injure a human user, especially heavy bolters- Catachans are more or less a different species or a close offshoot simply by their absurd levels of strength and endurance. The Krieger in the front will likely take severe injury to the head from the kick (think a PTR-S AT rifle, only full auto) and die from the concussion. The two Kriegers behind him might take some harmful injuries to the collarbone or femur, rendering them casualties. The two Kriegers on the right will then execute them for now being useless to the war effort, or call over a quarter master to repossess their gear.

The hilarious thing is that you drew the two guys on the left like they know exactly what's going to happen. If they weren't from Krieg, I'd even suspect that they wanted the crew to die simply so they could take over on the weapon and stand a greater chance of surviving.

The Krieger manning the gun is most certainly dead though, considering his face is shoved into the sights and setting up for a nasty accident on the battlefield.
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NicklausofKrieg Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2014
now that's just rife with exaggeration. you see bolters on imperial guard officers and veterans all the time, they make bolters specially built for use of un-augmented humans, and that's why you see Catachans carry and shoot heavy bolters in their hands sometimes because while they are indeed very hardy folk (they're not an offshoot species, that's never been stated aside form rumors and jokes), they're still basically shooting a gun meant for a normal human.
you want a full-auto PTR-S? well then look no further than the DShK (they only differ by 1.8mm in diameter, and 6mm in length) which you can indeed fire from a surface or laid on the ground, and it will not break your face or the collar-bone and femur of anyone behind you.
i really can't imagine any infantry weapon with a recoil high enough to smash through someone's face and still have enough force to injure anyone else behind, it aught to take a calibre far bigger than an IG issue heavy bolter to do something like that.

also they all just look bored to me.
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Wyzilla Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2014
It also depends on what bolter type they're using, and what fluff are the feats being taken for it. The biggest factor is whether the rockets for the bolt are firing in the barrel combined with the cartridge or is it being pushed out the barrel by the gunpowder alone. The thing I remembered about the PTR-S was claims of it busting the bones, either fracturing or clean breaks, of those who wielded it.
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NicklausofKrieg Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2014
well yeah, i'm aware that there are some fluff sources that seem to suggest bolters aren't meant for normal human beings, but i think the contrary fluff is much more interesting, lore-friendly, and much more well established. i've seen normal humans holding bolters in old comics and codexes after all, if anything bolters were more commonly seen in human hands back in the day.

the most likely mechanism for the bolter is that it has a small charge that launches the bolt just outside, or just before leaving the barrel then the bolt's independent propellant fires up, this explains why bolters have recoil, have shell casings, and why  they don't have fully perforated barrels despite using microjet ammunition.

well i've seen demonstration videos of people firing the ptrs and they seem quite fine to me, no bones broken. maybe after really really prolonged periods of firing would bones break as a long term effect, you know how many rounds it actually takes to destroy a German tank?
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Wyzilla Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2014
Depends on where you hit it. IIRC, it's not really effective at penetration unless it hit a solid, non-sloped 40mm or less thick armor plate at zero degrees, where it could damage the engine or kill a member of the tank's crew. They did though have the danger of breaking your collar bone if you improperly shouldered it (as I understand it, you actually don't want to shoulder it, you keep your body away, and preferably have the bipod dug into the ground to absorb some of the recoil.)

As for the bolters, there's two main types of bolters- those made for the Astartes, and those made for the non-heavy augments. A human trying to use a bolter intended for an astartes (if he could even lift it, let alone shoulder it), would suffer severe injury or even rip off their arm. Those made for humans are slightly lower caliber, IIRC the Astartes typically at .75 and upwards, and the guard use .50 for anything they carry (Commissar bolt-pistol), with .75 heavy bolters. They'd still be in danger of injuring themselves if they didn't dig a bipod down on the ground.

Fluff-wise, we do know they have monstrous recoil, although I don't think GW really thought things out completely on how they work, considering if the gyrojet fires after it leaves the gun, the recoil would drop and make it a lot safer to use for the Guard. To my understanding from the BL books I've read, it seems to be that the gyrojets fire while the round is still in the barrel, which really isn't efficient or safe.
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NicklausofKrieg Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2014
well imagine how hard it is to make an accurate shot on a tank from a distance in heated combat situation? you'll miss a couple of times and when you keep shooting it, then you'll feel the pain, not to mention if there are other tanks to take care of too. of course shouldering/holding any high calibre weapon wrong will cause injury, but that's accidental, still an exception, not the rule.

the Godwyn's for Astartes while Godwyn De'az and Locke for normal humans to be precise.
well my source on how a bolter round works is here warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Bo… i choose to believe this fluff because it makes perfect sense of all the bolter's characteristics that would otherwise not make sense or be contradictory, and it's lifted from various codexes, BL books, and GW sourcebooks.

if the bolter works just like a gyrojet gun like you say (as in the jet fires while still in the chamber) the bolter would be an extremely high maintenance weapon since microjet ammo really takes a toll on the integrity of the barrel, not to mention the fact that the bolter is an automatic weapon means the barrel would get warped out very quickly, this would all be avoided if bolter's barrel was fully perforated, which it isn't. basically, it's unrealistic and impractical for a gun like a bolter to work like an average gyrojet gun.

the only thing that doesn't make sense is it's supposed high recoil, if it works like i think it does (and like how some GW books says it does) it would actually have a pretty safe recoil, perhaps accuracy would be lost if not fire in controlled bursts, but definitely not limbs.
 
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Wyzilla Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2014
Also, I just remembered, they might actually have a "bipod" on it that's hidden by the gun. I don't own the Codex, but I remember someone telling me that the Guard also uses magnetic "bipods" to secure heavy guns like Lascannons and H bolters. It's possibly the kriegers may have buried it to reduce their profile from enemy fire.
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Corporal-Yakob Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013
"Gunter 11098374, you're standing on my foot."

"He's Gunter 11098374, I'm Gert 1189463."

"Whatever."
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hnsmmr Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2013  Hobbyist

Looks like the Bolter is an TV ^^.

(Because everyone is staring at it like there is some interessting stuff to see)

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Frittsthedeviant Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2013
come at us xeno's!

or "kommen bei uns Xeno" to be more accurate
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Thrownik Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013
Kriegs as always in good position. Imagine Cadians, who are "so bald and so foolish" and hide in grass, not in TRENCH!
TRENCHES are awesome <3
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Orkronos Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2013
You came to the wrong trech, mother fucker.
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Toliskar Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
They look bored.
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thebloodygod Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
"live in a hole, die in a hole"
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luca0483 Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
is that a bolter? oh yes it is! it is too FAR too small to be a heavy bolter, or a heavy stubber.
a 6 man strong special weapons squad, and only 1 BOLTER? that's krieger's on a tight budget.
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Planken Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
It's a hole in a emperorforsaken hellhole of a battlefield. but its their hole in an emperor forsaken battlefield aye?
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kriegerherz15 Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
you really know whos your friend and comrade if you fight with him in a tiny whole for like 6 days
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NicklausofKrieg Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2012
nothing gets people closer than fighting for each others lives :D
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Khornie Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
smike INTO the camera!
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NicklausofKrieg Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2012
obviously that commissar is taking that order above and beyond the call of duty as usual :D
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Shaodanis Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2012
Masters of siege. Masters of chillin' out.
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NicklausofKrieg Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2012
you need lots of patience in a siege so i guess they've also mastered the art of passing time :D
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human72 Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2011
The men of kerig are maters of seage warfaire so this is what they do best.
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jarms48a Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2011
"Just chilling, killing."

"True, true."
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human72 Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2011
Nice storm trooper avatar. I guess you have Dawn of war retrabution?
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jarms48a Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2011
You got that right.
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human72 Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2011
Exlent. I have the game as well.
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mirageninja Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
lol maybe there makeing a bet if that guy on the gun can get that guy in the other trench its cool though not a good ideal one shell and boom six dead guards men
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TD-Vice Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Gotta love tight compartments. All it takes is one grenade to get the find flying)
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NicklausofKrieg Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2011
it's a risk everyone in entrenchments have to deal with but i guess they could use a much wider troop displacement

but of course the whole squad must be present when they're conducting drills
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human72 Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2011
Verry nice pic man Verry nice.
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toht981 Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2011
Wonder how they get on being holed up in that ditch.
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Baveboi Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2011  Student General Artist
Hah! Hiding behind the heavy weapons guy (when there is cover). That's the life of every guardsmen I have ever played, be it on Dawn of War, tabletop or rpg or even Team Fortress 2.

But, actually, I think he should use an Autocannon rather than that boltery love. Autocannons do damage to light armor vehicles and do glancing blows against heavy vehicles. It's all and forever HNNNG :heart:
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NicklausofKrieg Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2011
of course, guardsmen hold the line after all :D

and yeah i know kriegers are more into heavy stubbers and autocannons
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heart-rate0 Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2011
i like how the gunner looks like he just drank 8 pots of coffee and is scared of a fly landing on him and everyone else looks terribly bored
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jarms48a Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2011
Excellent.
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NicklausofKrieg Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2011
yeah he's looking pretty tense behind that gun especially with his head so close to the rear sights and his shoulders all bunched up like that :D
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heart-rate0 Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2011
sorry ^^; thought it didn't post the first time... darn computer
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NicklausofKrieg Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2011
it's ok just technical difficulties :)
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heart-rate0 Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2011
i like how the gunner looks like he drank 8 pots of coffee and is scared to death of anything that might sneak up on him in his sleep and everyone else looks terribly bored
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MaKo85 Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
"Johann, Kraus, Hanz, Franz, Ermine und Eric were the best of friends, you couldn't get those six out of a ditch if their lives depended on it..."

Lolz
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NicklausofKrieg Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2011
just goes to show kriegers have friends too! :XD:
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MaKo85 Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Yay :3
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MajorMurray Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2011
My brain works in strange ways. First thing I thought when I looked at this was, "One lucky artillery shell and bye bye Kriegers." It is very unwise to have that many men clumped together, especially for Kriegers who are masters of trench warfare.

Still it is a very good piece. Nice work.
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