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Live In A Hole by NicklausofKrieg Live In A Hole by NicklausofKrieg
Just some Kriegers doing their thing, in a ditch with a gun emplacement which is oddly enough something i don't draw that much

it's based off of this picture [link]
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Nightcorerulz Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
"Wrong Trench Mother Fucker!"

Stunning work thanks for making
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Wyzilla Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2014
Kriegers 16312346, 1687714, and 126487 are going to get their heads blown off because somebody forgot to set up the tripod on the heavy bolter. Kriegers 167864, and 134234 look like they realize this, and is why they're leaning away from the Bolter. 167864 in particular looks like he knows exactly what's going to happen.
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NicklausofKrieg Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2014
how exactly are head gonna explode due to a missing tripod?

if it's because of a misfire/accidental discharge, i don't see how a missing tripod will contribute to that. if it's because of high recoil due to lack of support, bolters and even heavy bolters don't really kick as hard as most people think, a brawny Catachan can carry and fire a heavy bolter in his hands, and there are instances where guardsmen just lay heavy bolters on the ground or on a surface to forgo a long set-up time. and if it's due to a commissar, Death Korps commissars are actually some of the most level-headed commissars out there, as they're supposed to act as the voice of reason and restraint of the regiment (and as stated above, missing tripod isn't a big deal). maybe it's 'cause they're sticking their heads out a little too much? they're all sticking their heads out of the ditch quite a bit.

i know i'm probably taking this too seriously and i may be coming off as offensive, but i really just don't get it. care to elaborate? 
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Wyzilla Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2014
Bolters canonically kick hard enough to kill or injure a human user, especially heavy bolters- Catachans are more or less a different species or a close offshoot simply by their absurd levels of strength and endurance. The Krieger in the front will likely take severe injury to the head from the kick (think a PTR-S AT rifle, only full auto) and die from the concussion. The two Kriegers behind him might take some harmful injuries to the collarbone or femur, rendering them casualties. The two Kriegers on the right will then execute them for now being useless to the war effort, or call over a quarter master to repossess their gear.

The hilarious thing is that you drew the two guys on the left like they know exactly what's going to happen. If they weren't from Krieg, I'd even suspect that they wanted the crew to die simply so they could take over on the weapon and stand a greater chance of surviving.

The Krieger manning the gun is most certainly dead though, considering his face is shoved into the sights and setting up for a nasty accident on the battlefield.
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NicklausofKrieg Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2014
now that's just rife with exaggeration. you see bolters on imperial guard officers and veterans all the time, they make bolters specially built for use of un-augmented humans, and that's why you see Catachans carry and shoot heavy bolters in their hands sometimes because while they are indeed very hardy folk (they're not an offshoot species, that's never been stated aside form rumors and jokes), they're still basically shooting a gun meant for a normal human.
you want a full-auto PTR-S? well then look no further than the DShK (they only differ by 1.8mm in diameter, and 6mm in length) which you can indeed fire from a surface or laid on the ground, and it will not break your face or the collar-bone and femur of anyone behind you.
i really can't imagine any infantry weapon with a recoil high enough to smash through someone's face and still have enough force to injure anyone else behind, it aught to take a calibre far bigger than an IG issue heavy bolter to do something like that.

also they all just look bored to me.
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Wyzilla Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2014
It also depends on what bolter type they're using, and what fluff are the feats being taken for it. The biggest factor is whether the rockets for the bolt are firing in the barrel combined with the cartridge or is it being pushed out the barrel by the gunpowder alone. The thing I remembered about the PTR-S was claims of it busting the bones, either fracturing or clean breaks, of those who wielded it.
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NicklausofKrieg Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2014
well yeah, i'm aware that there are some fluff sources that seem to suggest bolters aren't meant for normal human beings, but i think the contrary fluff is much more interesting, lore-friendly, and much more well established. i've seen normal humans holding bolters in old comics and codexes after all, if anything bolters were more commonly seen in human hands back in the day.

the most likely mechanism for the bolter is that it has a small charge that launches the bolt just outside, or just before leaving the barrel then the bolt's independent propellant fires up, this explains why bolters have recoil, have shell casings, and why  they don't have fully perforated barrels despite using microjet ammunition.

well i've seen demonstration videos of people firing the ptrs and they seem quite fine to me, no bones broken. maybe after really really prolonged periods of firing would bones break as a long term effect, you know how many rounds it actually takes to destroy a German tank?
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Wyzilla Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2014
Depends on where you hit it. IIRC, it's not really effective at penetration unless it hit a solid, non-sloped 40mm or less thick armor plate at zero degrees, where it could damage the engine or kill a member of the tank's crew. They did though have the danger of breaking your collar bone if you improperly shouldered it (as I understand it, you actually don't want to shoulder it, you keep your body away, and preferably have the bipod dug into the ground to absorb some of the recoil.)

As for the bolters, there's two main types of bolters- those made for the Astartes, and those made for the non-heavy augments. A human trying to use a bolter intended for an astartes (if he could even lift it, let alone shoulder it), would suffer severe injury or even rip off their arm. Those made for humans are slightly lower caliber, IIRC the Astartes typically at .75 and upwards, and the guard use .50 for anything they carry (Commissar bolt-pistol), with .75 heavy bolters. They'd still be in danger of injuring themselves if they didn't dig a bipod down on the ground.

Fluff-wise, we do know they have monstrous recoil, although I don't think GW really thought things out completely on how they work, considering if the gyrojet fires after it leaves the gun, the recoil would drop and make it a lot safer to use for the Guard. To my understanding from the BL books I've read, it seems to be that the gyrojets fire while the round is still in the barrel, which really isn't efficient or safe.
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NicklausofKrieg Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2014
well imagine how hard it is to make an accurate shot on a tank from a distance in heated combat situation? you'll miss a couple of times and when you keep shooting it, then you'll feel the pain, not to mention if there are other tanks to take care of too. of course shouldering/holding any high calibre weapon wrong will cause injury, but that's accidental, still an exception, not the rule.

the Godwyn's for Astartes while Godwyn De'az and Locke for normal humans to be precise.
well my source on how a bolter round works is here warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Bo… i choose to believe this fluff because it makes perfect sense of all the bolter's characteristics that would otherwise not make sense or be contradictory, and it's lifted from various codexes, BL books, and GW sourcebooks.

if the bolter works just like a gyrojet gun like you say (as in the jet fires while still in the chamber) the bolter would be an extremely high maintenance weapon since microjet ammo really takes a toll on the integrity of the barrel, not to mention the fact that the bolter is an automatic weapon means the barrel would get warped out very quickly, this would all be avoided if bolter's barrel was fully perforated, which it isn't. basically, it's unrealistic and impractical for a gun like a bolter to work like an average gyrojet gun.

the only thing that doesn't make sense is it's supposed high recoil, if it works like i think it does (and like how some GW books says it does) it would actually have a pretty safe recoil, perhaps accuracy would be lost if not fire in controlled bursts, but definitely not limbs.
 
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Wyzilla Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2014
Also, I just remembered, they might actually have a "bipod" on it that's hidden by the gun. I don't own the Codex, but I remember someone telling me that the Guard also uses magnetic "bipods" to secure heavy guns like Lascannons and H bolters. It's possibly the kriegers may have buried it to reduce their profile from enemy fire.
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