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H A P P Y by NicklausofKrieg H A P P Y by NicklausofKrieg
"you know there is a saying that sunshine follows rain and sure enough you'll realize that joy will follow pain"

A KRIEGER SMILING!? LET ALONG WITHOUT HIS MASK!?

i've got an idea that Kriegers are much more cheery than most people think. it's got something to do with accepting all the grimdarkness really
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V-for-Vienna Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2014
I like this thinking. :D
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mdude009 Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2013
From what I heard Death Korps troops are more like giant wind-up toys rather than humans, seeing a smiling one just seems... Odd.
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NicklausofKrieg Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2013
i like to just see them as people who think rather differently, different rationale and train of thought. i think it's more in good taste to portray them as a people so used to grimdarkness that it's the only thing they know, it's the natural order to them. rather than showing them as a bunch of redshirt, clone troopers.
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mdude009 Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2013
But aren't they taken as children (and generally as clones) into training, having their names completely removed and replaced with numbers, and basically being beaten and trained to be essentially just a bunch of thoughtless, emotionless automatons? At least that's what all the lore I've read about them seems to say.
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NicklausofKrieg Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2013
they're not all taken in as children, only the ones born from the vitae wombs are. not only that, but vitae wombs aren't cloning vats despite the popular notion that they are, they're more like test tube births, that way a couple can produce as many children as they can so long as there are sperm and egg cells to extract. they can have as many children as they can without the hindrance of long maternity periods and natural variables such as the health of the child-bearer, this applies especially to Krieg since it's a death world and so people aren't really all that healthy. vitae wombs also prevent mutation despite Krieg's heavily irradiated environment.
with the help of vitae wombs a wasteland like Krieg produces just as many, if not more people than a normal world.

now as for kriegers having personality, i'll let you think upon these few words and see if you can grasp the idea.
they're not robots, but soldiers.
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mdude009 Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2013
I don't know man, pretty much everything I've read on the Korps has been along the lines of "Indeed, the prevailing attitude amongst the Krieg is that they are little more than weapons for the Emperor’s will, faceless and infinitely replaceable." Makes it kind of hard to not see them as robots.
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NicklausofKrieg Featured By Owner Sep 27, 2013
isn't that what an ideal soldier is supposed to be? aren't soldiers supposed to be brought to places where they can fight and die? in that sense, aren't all soldiers replaceable weapons of the nation's will?

think on it a bit more, i ain't got much time to write long explanations nowadays you see.

also know that i'm one of those people who reject certain portrayals of the death korps, Steve Lyons' work "Dead Men Walking" is one of them.
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mdude009 Featured By Owner Sep 27, 2013
Not sure about that first point, an ideal soldier would have some amount of self-preservation instinct and individuality. Smart enough to shut up and duck eh?

Also I see, like I said, it was just that most the things I've read made them look a bit mechanical. Then again when you consider it try to imagine it from someone elses point of view. Say a bunch of Krieger's stood at attention. To most other soldier it would look like the kriegers were almost inhuman machines, everything so uniform and perfect it look like inhuman soldier looking like exact copies staring at nothing with soulless eyes, but a highly trained Death Korps soldier would probably be standing there thinking "good god look at the crease in Tim's putties! And Jimmy is standing with his feet way too apart! 24 inches Jimmy, not 23 inches and 2.52 centimeters! This squad is disgraceful!"  
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NicklausofKrieg Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2013
of course there's also self preservation, it's natural, but really a soldier isn't going to get anything done without putting his life on the line, in some cases the more daring the better. and if he loses his life, oh well, let's just hope it was towards something useful.
also soldiers are encouraged to work as a unit and put the welfare of the unit and or the objective above their own, and the best way to instill that is to shed some individuality. soldiers working one their own are irregular cases and such skills aren't exactly taught in boot camp.
really, all it takes is to perhaps look at ants to see how the military would appreciate such selfless qualities.

a robot doesn't know why, it's programmed the way it is. a soldier on the other hand knows why, and accepts it because it is his duty, and duty is a human trait. kriegers serve with a personal intent to fight and die because it's their general character/personality, it's their ideals and way of life, ingrained into them by their history.
robots have no such things to look up to, they just do whatever they're told. whereas if a superior officer told a krieger to retreat or do things against his ideals, he'd be rather angry at that, and would probably disobey orders.

and of course there's the often overlooked subject of "culture" in the 40k universe. culture can impart a lot of character onto an otherwise robotic people, and since there's little known about krieg other than that it's militaristic and totalitarian, i look to real cultures like Nazi Germany or Prussia for inspiration, and despite having a similar stereotype as the kriegers well all know that they were very much indeed human beings.

i think the seldom seen humanity humanity of kriegers is just a void to be filled in, much like other facets of 40k lore.
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SillyMadman Featured By Owner May 7, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Yeah, don't mind the Krieger going to strangle the life out of the snickering sod.
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