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here's some basic firearms used by Confederate and Union troops during the the second American civil war, from 1916, and ongoing to the current year of 1920.
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CalvinCoolidge1924 Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2014
God bless Dixie.
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DrRichoften Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
ny thought went in when i noticed there was no BAR 
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NicklausofKrieg Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2014
well as the description states, these are all just basic weapons, no special weapons, or heavy weapons.

if i was going to include the BAR i would've also added the Hotchkiss, and a series of grenade launchers. maybe even a Lewis and a Chauchat too.
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DrRichoften Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
BAR was a basic weapon. well in WW2 it was.
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NicklausofKrieg Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2014
basic weapons are battle rifles, sub-machine guns, carbines, and assault rifles, basically versatile yet unimpressive weapons. the BAR is a light machine gun, therefore a support weapon, support weapons have more precise uses and are very good at what they do (such as suppressive fire or accurate sharpshooting) but not much good at anything else.

while individual infatryman's rifle is used for self defense, a support weapon like the BAR is more like a tactical asset for the entire squad.

also this is set just after 1918 so the BAR is still considered a very special, and modern weapon.
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DrRichoften Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
BAR was clasified as a  Assualt rifle during WW2. in WW1 it was a Support.
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NicklausofKrieg Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2014
that's a misinformed label at worst, and an outdated one at best. all official and or formal sources will call it an "Automatic Rifle" and therefore a machine gun, not an assault rifle. you really cannot compare the BAR to an STG44 or an M2 Carbine.

no, in WW2 it was use as a support weapon, in WW1 it was hardly used at all, by 1918 it was only issued to a few select units as an experimental weapon, it was never issued under regular circumstances during its one year service in WW1.
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DrRichoften Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
oye all the things i read it refers it as a Assualt rifle. But to me it's a very good Rifle/ support weapon.
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NicklausofKrieg Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2014
are you sure? in my entire life i've only ever heard of the BAR being referred to as an assault rifle twice. and they were from casual, hardly knowledgeable sources. i mean the, glaring differences that set a BAR and say an STG44 apart from each other are quite plain as day to anyone who has a lick of sense about firearms. also "Automatic Rifle" does not mean "Assault Rifle" mind you.

yeah the BAR was a good, robust gun. it's only problems were its open-bolt system, (making it more complicated than it needed to be) its small 20 round magazine, (which made it difficult to put down sustained fire) and its slow rate of fire compared to its contemporaries (they said it was to alleviate its small clip size, but they could've just easily increased its round capacity).
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menapia Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2014
Interesting timeline, what's the POD in this alt history why did the southerners decided to give secession another go?.

Also there would have been plenty of ex army kit around  the U.S in Virgina they had the Blair mountain rising which was the biggest insurrection since the war most of the miners who fought were vets of the Spanish-American War and the Phillipines Campaign the list of stuff confiscated would have been enough to kit out our Irish army!
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SultanOfAwesomeness Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Always with the gas masks. Can't say they don't look cool, though. ;)
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Enrico1946 Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
The Colt revolver is probably had view both civil war making it a veteran weapon on the 2nd civil war :D
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Pandaren-Chaplain Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Who's won? Dixie or Yankees?
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NicklausofKrieg Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2013
as of the story's current year, (1920) things have went into a stalemate. ever since France's "peace keeping" intervention, they've pretty much wedged themselves in between the Union and Confederacy.
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KingWillhamII Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2013
How did the CSA win the first one?
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NicklausofKrieg Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2013
they didn't win the first one, they just came back.
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KingWillhamII Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2013
How?
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NicklausofKrieg Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2013
increasing public turmoil due to civil rights, racial tension, costly wars in China and japan, and not intervening in the first world war.

at first individual states started to rebel, and then the southern states as a whole decided to unite again.
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KingWillhamII Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2013

What about the rest of the country, and the world?

How did world war one turnout?

But anyway really like your art, the whole advanced early 20th century theme.

I'm actually creating a similar story.

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NicklausofKrieg Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2013
the French stepped in on the civil war with their new army of automatons under the guise of peace keeping, but in fact they're actually occupying America to use its vast resources and industrial capacity to fund France's future plans for a second Napoleonic styled European conflict.
as for the rest of the world, it's basically like the cold war, lots of proxy wars of varying sizes by the major players trying maintain their balance of power.

the first world war ended in just over a year (1914-1915) with the Germans winning, and it wasn't exactly the first world war as you or i know it, it's more like the Franco-Prussian war in comparison. with this in mind, France basically took a similar turn as postwar Germany did. with their economies crippled, the desperate French people turned to ultra-nationalists to bring the country back on its feet, and just like the real postwar Germany, France's new nationalist government has its sights set on great conquest.
also Russia just emerged from its civil war with the Soviets winning, but with a few twists. Lenin was successfully assassinated and leadership was handed over the Trotsky who then disavowed Stalin and exiled him far from country. Trotsky's new expansionist policies leads to the Soviet Union invading Finland, Afghanistan, and Central Asia.
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KingWillhamII Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2013

So is there to be a world war two, And what's going on with the Japanese?

But as for your story, I'm really liking it!  :)

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Corporal-Yakob Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2013
Just enough time to comment on this before I'm whisked away to my next tutorial/fake class.

Awesome stuff!

Nice to see a clean layout of the weaponry of this conflict, neatly arrayed against each other and the American-showmanesqe text at the top really brings it all together but the highlight of the pic for me is the Confederate soldier: incredibly cool looking and has a gritty/down to earth feel to him (I could just be colour blind but the trousers and hood look reddish/brown to me and I think it works great).

Also, regarding the hood: obviously it hides his identity and that combined with the Ultra-Nationalist pic suggests that the Confederates will have to hide themselves to protect their families from Union retilation. A sign of a particularly vicious and merciless second civil war perhaps?
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NicklausofKrieg Featured By Owner Aug 16, 2013
yeah i know, it's about time i got around to doing something like this, finally drawing all those old guns i was blabbering on about. i even got  whole bunch of old deco fonts specifically in preparation for more drawings like this.
well that's kinda odd 'cause on my end the confederate's hood and pants are a plain dull brown.

well like i've stated previously the gas-hoods commonly found of these confederates is pretty much a lower tech counterpart to all those gasmasks i draw union soldiers wearing, plus the hood's design is similar to the sack hoods worn by white supremacist mobs of old (not to be mistaken as KKK guys). i'm not really sure if they have to hide their identities, since it's pretty much obvious that any civilians in the confederate states are connected to them, since the confederate states have pretty much turned into their very own country. plus with the French cutting the country up, they kinda act as buffers between union and confederate clashes in some areas. the union's law enforcement is currently pretty brutal though, since they're cracking down on spies, arcanists, and post-humans, who are undermining the union's war effort.
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Corporal-Yakob Featured By Owner Aug 17, 2013
:D Must be my poor eye-sight then, too much time spent squinting at one monitor or the other.

Indeed, given the fact that their Confederates, the white supremacist mob image does come to mind quite quickly. My point about the hidden identity though was that they would to avoid being recoginised lest Union troops and sympathizers take revenge on their families: if Northern soldiers see and recognize Private Bob Jackson but can't kill or capture him, they could just go to his house and kill his family instead, in the age-old fashion of brutal civil wars. 

Interesting geographical point about the French and I honestly hadn't considered in detail to what extent they'd interact with the Confederates, though I had imagined they would fund and train separatist groups in the wars prior to the civil war to help weaken and disorganize the Americans before their invasion.

I can imagine ruthless law enforcement in these desperate times and it gives me a few interesting ideas....
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1914guy Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2013
Another war with Confederates! God would they just Face it. They will Lose Again.
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jailgurdnegative Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2013  Hobbyist
ohh yeah, this ought to help with that fanart I have in the works.:D
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NicklausofKrieg Featured By Owner Aug 16, 2013
well, i'm glad it help. looking forward to see what you come up with. :D
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PictishWarlord13 Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2013
 Why in this timeline do the USMC still wear blue uniforms? 
(Not criticizing. I think its actually pretty cool.)
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NicklausofKrieg Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2013
well, i can pretty much interpret a lot of reasons actually. one reason may be due to the fact that US marines wore blue uniforms until the middle of world war one, until switching for the khakis (practical purposes perhaps?). in this timeline however, America did not participate in the European wars, and so hasn't advanced as much in regards to uniform. another reason may be because i want a real distinctive look for them to differentiate them from the army. i also had them keep their blue uniforms to stick to the archaic feel i've set on. another reason probably involves the civil war theme, the confederate's special troops wear grey and butternut uniforms (just like their forefathers), while the Union's special troops (the USMC) wear blue uniforms.

glad you find it cool.
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kriegerherz15 Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
why do they have german weapons?
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NicklausofKrieg Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2013
well during most of the early parts of the 20th century German weapons could be pretty much found anywhere, and they were some of the best weapons around. the Gewehr 98 was all over the world, and as i've stated before, it was practically the Kalashnikov of its time. the Mauser c96 was also widely used going as far as Russia, China, and South America. and the MP-18 submachinegun's design spawned many of the future SMGs such as the British Sten, and Lanchester, and the Russian PPD-40 which later spawned the PPSh-41.

the proliferation of German weapons is one of the many themes i put into play to really set the feel of the time period.
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